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Jason Airey
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Jason Airey 0 minutes 4 seconds
Hi everybody. Welcome.
Jason Airey 0 minutes 7 seconds
To the energy, fuels and vehicles working part of the Westminster Rd. Air quality. Can I ask everybody to put their their cameras on? It’s always nice to see everybody’s faces, absolutely.
Jason Airey 0 minutes 31 seconds
Super. Well, I’ll let Sally kick off with protocols and then we will commence the meeting. The meeting. OK. Good afternoon and welcome everybody. It’s lovely to see so many nice faces. Just a quick run through of the protocol. So first of all, what we’re going to do is we’re going to run through the updates of the committee, meet you a little notice that if you can keep your video on and you can keep your microphones off, please.
Jason Airey 0 minutes 58 seconds
Then we can see you, but if you have the opportunity to ask a question.
Jason Airey 1 minute 3 seconds
We’ll be able to invite you at the end of the presentation.
Jason Airey 1 minute 7 seconds
So if everybody could do that, if you’ve got a question, you can type it in the chat facility if you prefer or you can put your hand up. So that’s the easiest way of managing that. And so therefore I see we’ve got Barry with us today. Hi, Barry. Welcome. Good to see you. So I’m going to ask you just to give us a quick update on where we are with the Westminster Commission.
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Barry
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Barry 1 minute 32 seconds
You can give your update now turned it on. Oh, Are you ready for me?
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Jason Airey
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Jason Airey 1 minute 41 seconds
You’re on.
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Barry
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Barry 1 minute 41 seconds
Oh, OK. Well, I didn’t realise that we were going to. I was going to be so close on the to the top of the agenda. OK, so.
Barry 1 minute 52 seconds
My report is any of you who are down in Cardiff with us, you can now switch off and come back in three or four minutes.
Barry 2 minutes 1 second
Because what I was saying is.
Jason Airey 17 minutes 37 seconds
Is to understand who’s got the best, but ideally who’s the top ten worst constituencies in terms of air pollution in the UK and then obviously approach those MPs and see if they’re interested in obviously trying to reduce that problem and and how they could help. So I think there’s lots of stuff we can do there, you know, consolidate our objectives, but also understand, you know, if we look at the, it’s interesting you mentioned.
Jason Airey 18 minutes 2 seconds
Leeds University Barry yeah, because obviously James Tate, who does a lot of work for Defra on air pollution out at Leeds out of Leeds.
Jason Airey 18 minutes 9 seconds
Said that, you know to introduce the test on DP FS and the effect of taking those vehicles off the road is probably the number one biggest thing we can do today. Yeah. To reduce obviously pollution from Rd transport. Yeah. So you know, it’s within our visibility to try and push that through as quickly as possible. And that’s really key. So lots going on.
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I think the.
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Barry
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Barry 18 minutes 34 seconds
Jason, can I come in on that point?
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Jason Airey
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Jason Airey 18 minutes 36 seconds
Yes.
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Barry
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Barry 18 minutes 37 seconds
I was coming out before I was. I was muted. But the fact of the matter is, you’re absolutely right about we now can say to a Member of Parliament or a city or town. This is, yeah, a pretty accurate evaluation of where you are in terms of your air quality.
Barry 18 minutes 56 seconds
But also developing as we have in Oxford and we’re trying it in other Cambridge and other towns going to them because you know.
Barry 19 minutes 6 seconds
As I said again in Cardiff, you know local authorities have been battered and bruised over so many years with the lack of resources, you know they just haven’t got resources. They are really on their so many of them and so well, our approach is now to go say, well, what about a new sort of partnership we said to Oxford, look, you’ve got universities, you’ve got 2 universities.
Barry 19 minutes 31 seconds
It also then you’ve got 7 loads of colleges Cambridge the same. Do you want your students and your staff?
Barry 19 minutes 39 seconds
To be working in a poisonous atmosphere, do you want and your major employers? Do they want the same? And So what we’ve been encouraging is a partnership approach, a sharing of the load. If you if the universities. If local businesses are at the big employers worried about the atmosphere in which they all work and live.
Barry 20 minutes 4 seconds
Then it’s a partnership to find the resource to do something about it, to measure it, and then do something about it. So.
Barry 20 minutes 11 seconds
So we’re, we’re we’ve gone from the, you know, one club you go in and you can see what counsellors I was a counsellor for seven years and in the days when we had money and now I can’t understand what anybody would want to become a counsellor, where there was never any money. It’s always cutting services. So our partnership saying, come on in this town, you could get these people together and then get a kind of, yeah, we stop frightening, you know, people by saying oh, it’s going to land.
Barry 20 minutes 41 seconds
But our desk and we will foot the bill. So I think we’ve been helpful in developing that sort of policy, Jason.
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Jason Airey
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Jason Airey 20 minutes 51 seconds
I think you know it’s, you know, Jude picked up on the APPGS we we don’t want to just talk about it. We you know we want to know what’s happening and I think you know it’s nice that we’ve now got obviously the MPs back on board since things have settled down actually are going out and actually saying right what can we see to happen there. And I think with you know Rosalind as well is great because she’s you know she’s been waving the flag as she’s done a lot of work in Europe for example.
Jason Airey 21 minutes 16 seconds
She was actually a keynote speaker in one of the the European European companies, and you know the the key thing for us is all about.
Jason Airey 21 minutes 25 seconds
You know, working with Rosmond as well, and you know she’s got an introduction to clean F and for, as Barry hasn’t she to try and work out how we move that forward, which is good. So lots going on what we know to do then what I’ll do now is I’m going to introduce forensio curvio forensio has been I think we met many years ago ferenzio yeah so and we’ve done a lot of work together on off in certain areas.
Jason Airey 21 minutes 51 seconds
We sort of discussed certain topics.
Jason Airey 21 minutes 55 seconds
And one of the areas that we’re we’re very passionate about really is how do we generate more investment in, you know, fuel, clean, air technologies, energy. Yeah. Where where’s that money come from? And I think if you said, Barry, the problem is, is that there’s no money in the local authorities, there’s not a lot of money in central government. Yep. So where’s it going to come from? So what are those mechanisms? Help you make them happy. Happens. All right. In terms of frenzy, I’m not going to go through your whole bio frenzy does go on a bit, but.
Jason Airey 22 minutes 23 seconds
Frenzo’s, the leading expert in transport decarbonisations emissions trading, energy transition advise governments, industries, frameworks that Dr sustainable mobility and I think that’s a good summary really.
Jason Airey 22 minutes 36 seconds
You’re very passionate friends as well about obviously, how do we transition to these, you know, 0 emission technologies and it’s kind of key, how do we do that? So I’m going to pass every forensia to go through the mission training systems.
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Florencio Cuervo LEVE MOBILITY
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Florencio Cuervo LEVE MOBILITY 22 minutes 52 seconds
OK. Thank you. Thank you for your words and very interesting the introduction from Barry and focus you you you mentioned both of you.
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So let me share my screen so we I can use it.
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The vehicle for for the speech.
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Confirm if you have it.
Florencio Cuervo LEVE MOBILITY 23 minutes 21 seconds
OK. Oh, I see it. So I think you, you too.
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Jason Airey
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Jason Airey 23 minutes 24 seconds
Yep, we can see that friends here.
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Florencio Cuervo LEVE MOBILITY
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Florencio Cuervo LEVE MOBILITY 23 minutes 26 seconds
OK.
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So.
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Our interest is to open a space where meaningful a meaningful goal of stakeholders approach from different angles. The upcoming expansion of the UK Emission Trading scheme to the road transport and buildings as well.
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And we aim to address technical and policy topics in collaborative efforts, which are needed between government and industry to ensure.
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Its successful implementation.
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So we will explore the policy framework, a background regulatory changes venture as well in alternative ways. We can do the UK Rd transportation emission trading scheme and find the risk and highlight opportunities as well.
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You will also remark the importance of the partnership approach.
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And we will divide in three chapters this short presentation.
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The first one will incorporate the ETS policy framework.
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And explain how it gears up and what it means for you.
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The basics is that there is a ETS policy framework within which it’s a fall into the UK. Participation in the European Union ETS emission trading scheme, which was established in 2005, was replaced after Brexit with the UKETS on January the 1st 21.
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The scheme considered the emissions in the production upstream and distribution downstream of fuels.
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But in the context of ETS through downstream.
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Downstream, it means from the tongue to wheel or pipe to burner so that we will explain a bit better what it means upstream and downstream in this case.
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Germany included in from 2021 and ETS apply also applying to Rd transportation fuels, so not to the.
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Companies as responsible.
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The current introduction of new markets in the EU in the European Union develops the case for fuels, for buildings and for Rd transport that so the regulated entity defined is not the consumer. The road transportation operation, but the fuel supplier to these operators.
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Regulated event is a release for consumption of a stream of fuel. When you put it in the tank.
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Because of this, it was called up upstream and nicknamed ETS2, so the original downstream is now rebranded ETS downstream in the ETS aspect means the consumer.
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The the UK is now a studying the expansion of the UKETS to new markets, expansion to new markets. This is within the policy and the road transportation sector is one of the markets as well as the building sectors which were not applying to the ETS1 scheme, not downstream. So in these cases.
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The European Commission is.
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Having the fuel suppliers.
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Taking the responsibility to report the emissions downstream.
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So in the context of EDS, downstream means tank to whale or pipe to burn.
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I can share later on some.
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Interesting links if you are curious enough on what is.
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Now they to to explain a bit how it works.
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That you you KETSS scheme comes from there is an inter at the beginning, the UK took an undertaking to cut its emissions and set it out in the national determined contributions. This is the architecture of what we are speaking. So the UK agreed in the COP 15.
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And it was turned into low.
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Into a series of legally binding limits called carbon budgets, so every country.
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Committed their not every but most of the country in the world committed to an NDC national determined contributions meaning.
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A limit to their carbon emissions during from from the day 1990 onwards to 2050.
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So the UK set it it into a bill in the Climate Change Act in 2002 and 8.
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And.
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This converted the NDC into carbon budgets.
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The this match at SPC 5 the maximum amount of greenhouse gases the UK can emit over a set of period for all sectors.
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Capped year on year, the carbon budget limit the basis for the overall caps in the caps and trade system, which in turn determine will determine how many allowances each sector each market will receive.
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In some cases, free allowances not in this case or by by auction and every year will be cut.
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In proportion with the carbon budget, the on on the on the Climate Change Act of the UK. So then the road transport ETS is an emission cap and trade scheme CAP and trade means the government caps but goes reducing the amount it could be emitted to the atmosphere and.